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Old trains...new homes?

On September 5, South Western Railway introduced new Class 707s into traffic when two five-car electric multiple units started a captive diagram running from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton. 

These were the first of 30 Siemens Desiro City units ordered by SWR’s predecessor on Government orders, in a £210 million deal as part of a High Level Output Specification (HLOS) scheme designed to boost capacity on the busy SWT/SWR network. 

The ‘707s’ had been ordered in September 2014, and the first were unveiled to the press in Germany in July 2016. But by the end of 2019, they will be withdrawn. 

Currently their lifespan is around two years, after which Angel Trains, which funded these EMUs, must try to find a new home for them. As they are dual-voltage, the ‘707s’ can be used on more than the third-rail network on which they are employed. Nevertheless, the route they were ordered for is not where they will eventually be used. 

Another part of that HLOS plan was the modernisation of the SWT Class 455 fleet, by fitting new traction packages to improve reliability. These units will also be withdrawn by SWR. 

Class 456s transferred from Southern and refurbished (at a cost), and which were to be used with the ‘455s’ to create ten-car trains, will also be withdrawn.

Meanwhile, the ‘458/5s’ that had been heavily modified to extend them from four- to five-car trains are also looking for a new home. 

The ‘458/5’ modifications had been made possible by using 60 of 64 redundant Class 460 vehicles that had been displaced from Gatwick Express by Class 442s. 

This project began in late 2012, and by 2013 the trade press was invited to examine the first ‘458/5s’ at Wabtec Rail, Doncaster (albeit with questions already being asked about the lateness of the project). The final rebuilt EMU was delivered last year. 

Now, just a few months later, Porterbrook needs to find a home for the fleet, which had been the first delivered since privatisation in 1998. Less than 20 years old, the ‘458s’ have a decidedly uncertain future should the rolling stock company (ROSCO) be unsuccessful in finding a new home for the trains at Southeastern. 

Porterbrook paid for these trains to be modified, at a cost of around £40m for the ‘455s’ and the same figure for the ‘458s’. 

But by the end of 2019, a total of 592 refurbished and modernised Porterbrook vehicles are bound (at the moment) for the scrapyard. Add the ‘707s’ to that, and that makes 742 vehicles deemed surplus to requirements. 

This is because First MTR, which was awarded the SWR franchise, will introduce 750 Class 701 vehicles from 2019. They are being built by Bombardier at Derby Litchurch Lane, and the reason they were ordered, simply, is that ‘money is cheap’, due to the various exchange rates. It is currently more economically sensible to buy new where possible, rather than to refurbish.

The railway stands on the cusp of a new era, with bi-mode trains and EMUs entering traffic on several routes that have not had new brand new trains since the 1960s. 

Had you driven south along Queen Adelaide Way at Ely during the summer, you would have passed rows of stored Class 442 third-rail EMUs. These were the victims of the introduction of new trains, in this case 27 four-car Class 387/2s on the Gatwick Express. 

This is the second time the ‘442s’ have been culled in favour of new trains. In 2007, South West Trains’ plans to axe 30 four-car Class 458s was changed to ridding itself of the ‘442s’ instead, and introducing 17 four-car Class 450s. The ‘442s’ went into store for a few months before being leased to Southern for the GatEx operations. 

Fast forward almost a decade, and they are set for a return to the main line with South Western Railway on their old stamping ground on the South West Main Line, despite being older than the ‘456s’, ‘458s’ and ‘707s’ being withdrawn by SWR. Eighteen are bound for the new franchise - the remaining six are either set for use with open access operator Alliance Rail on its plans for additional SWML trains from Waterloo to Southampton, or they will be scrapped. 

Meanwhile, iconic fleets such as the High Speed Trains are destined for a cascade, or maybe even scrap. Innovation is likely to be required if they are to have a future. 

A recent Rail Delivery Group study showed that by 2047 a fleet increase of 89% is needed (RAIL 823), made up of largely new vehicles. Headlines around Christmas were of Britain’s ageing train fleet, yet these statistics had been released in the autumn with scant mention of the large numbers of new trains on order. 

Currently the average age of the UK’s passenger railway fleet is 21.0 years, but that is predicted to drop to 16 over the next few years as older trains are withdrawn and replaced by new, modern trains. Reliability will increase, punctuality will improve and passenger satisfaction levels will be higher, we are told. 

And yet… will it? Will passengers who find themselves having to stand in the new trains be pleased to know that the older trains they used will be stood in a siding somewhere, gathering dust, when perhaps they could be supplementing the new trains and providing additional seating capacity for those very same disgruntled passengers?

A RAIL investigation found that a total of 4,863 vehicles are either to be sent off-lease or are at risk of being withdrawn. Some date from the 1970s, others from this year. And it’s a mixed bag of trains - some are too good for store, while others had a new home lined up before circumstances changed. 

Unveiling a refurbished Class 156 at East Kilbride on June 27, Scotland’s Minister for Islands and Transport Humza Yousaf said: “Good, high-quality refurbishment can deliver a passenger experience comparable with new rolling stock.”



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  • William Webb - 19/10/2017 21:21

    The Class 360 Desiros when both Greater Anglia & Heathrow Connect replace them most likely now they will probably find a new home up the North on newly-electrified lines between Liverpool, Manchester, Blackpool and Leeds

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    • FrankH - 20/10/2017 10:00

      The extension of OHLE to Leeds is virtually certain to be cancelled. Unless the class 319's are a temporary solution for Northern more will be used once Manchester to Blackpool is electrified. Once the bi mode version is approved a few North West routes will use them also eliminating the pacers and possibly the majority of the 150's.

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  • AndrewJGwilt1989 - 19/10/2017 22:44

    Class 379's could be transferred to Great Northern to work alongside the Class 387's. Class 360's to be transferred to Northern (operating on Doncaster-Leeds service) and other services. Class 153's, Class 156's and Class 170's used on Greater Anglia could be transferred to Great Western Railway, South Western Railway, West Midlands Trains, Northern, Transpennine Express or Arriva Trains Wales. Class 707's could be used on Southern to replace the Class 455's on South London suburban services or SWR's Class 458's to be transferred to Southern to replace the Class 455's. It depends if the current trains could face the scrap or to be used elsewhere.

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  • GWR Fan - 20/10/2017 14:32

    The HSTs from VTEC when replaced by the Azuma, could find a new home at CrossCountry, doing the Plymouth to Aberdeen line, that will allow the Voyagers (220 and 221) on other XC Routes. Also, Some of the GWR HSTs could be cascaded to Chiltern Mainline for a new route from Birmingham Moor Street to London Paddington, While the 68s and 168s carry on with the Birmingham Moor Street to London Marylebone. Finally, Northern could give a home to the Class 350/2 for maybe new routes from Manchester to Birmingham New Street via Crewe or Stoke-On-Trent.

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  • William Webb - 20/10/2017 19:04

    Maybe Southern could get the Class 379s from Greater Anglia & be used on the Brighton Express services & Eastbourne services from London Bridge The Class 379s would be more appropriate for the London Victoria - Brighton express service then the Class 377 The Class 379s would offer the higher level of comfort on the Brighton Express than the class 377s currently used on this service. If the Class 379s find a new a home in the South of England they would have to be modified & fitted with third rail equipment. The Class 379s would be ideal train for the Brighton Express service since the Class 442s have now disappeared from that route since March 2017

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  • William Webb - 20/10/2017 19:08

    Reckon the Class 365 Networkers will probably return during the next South Eastern franchise like the Class 442s are returning to South Western Railway & the Class 365s would have to be modified & fitted with third rail equipment in the Southern Region

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  • William Webb - 20/10/2017 19:10

    Most likely now the Class 321s when Greater Anglia replace them will probably find a new home up in Scotland or in the Bristol/Cardiff area or covert them into bi-mode flex units like Northern are doing with some of its Class 319 fleet.

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  • William Webb - 20/10/2017 19:11

    The class 90 locomotives when Greater Anglia replace them most likely now they will find a new home probably pulling freight

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  • AndrewJGwilt1989 - 21/10/2017 09:25

    Another thought came to my mind even though I would still speculate. Greater Anglia could inherit (retain) some of the refurbished Class 321’s “Renatus” to work on the Wickford-Southminster, Colchester-Colchester Town, Colchester-Walton-on-the-Naze and Manningtree-Harwich Town services despite new trains are on order that will replace the Class 321’s entirely. But GA could retain some of the Class 321’s on those branch lines in Essex.

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  • Thames Train nerd - 21/10/2017 09:29

    All these stories carry undertones that somehow this is bad news when in fact it represents good news for virtually everyone. Passengers get better, newer trains with greater capacity. The taxpayer gets a better deal and the fleet on SWR inner suburban services is simplified and more efficient for the franchisee. The only people who loose out are the fat financiers who back Angel Trains who have made super profits for too long. Angel will lease the 707s to another operator at a lower rental price in due course. And the problem is ...? HSTs will be up to 43 years old in 2019 so talking of them coming off lease as an issue is really the wrong perspective. The real issue in these articles is the incompetence of NR in not delivering their electrification upgrade plans and as a consequence many of the EMUs coming off lease have limited future work.

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  • AndrewJGwilt1989 - 21/10/2017 09:30

    London Overground might keep some of the Class 315’s that will be operated on the Romford-Upminster branch line because of the platforms at Romford Platform 1, Emerson Park and Upminster Platform 6 won’t be extended to accommodate a 5-Car train and Class 710’s may not be suitable for the Upminster branch line. But instead 1 or 2 Class 315’s will be used on the Upminster branch line working between Romford and Upminster. As they are still reliable trains.

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  • William Webb - 21/10/2017 13:06

    Most likely now the Class 321s could probably find a new home up in Scotland or in the Bristol/Cardiff area. Maybe also convert some old Greater Anglia Class 321s into bi-mode flex units so they can run on non electrified lines as well electrified lines

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  • William Webb - 22/10/2017 01:43

    They should just scrap the older units like the 142, 143, 144, 313. 314, 315, 317, 455, 456. 507 & 508s

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    • BigTone - 23/10/2017 09:49

      The 142 / 143 / 144 Pacers ARE going to be scrapped.

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      • AndrewJGwilt1989 - 24/10/2017 02:15

        Big Tone is correct about the Pacers that are going to be scrapped because of new trains that are replacing them.

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        • ChrisM - 27/10/2017 16:57

          Some Pacers may be replaced by refurbished by Class 150s that are already 30 years old, slightly older than Pacers, and are currently expected to serve another 10 years.

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  • William Webb - 22/10/2017 01:52

    Maybe Southern could get the Class 707 fleet from South Western Railway for its metro services & to replace its Class 455 fleet

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  • William Webb - 22/10/2017 02:54

    Maybe Southern could get the Class 365s from Great Northern to operate on Coastway services in & out of Brighton & also replace the Class 313s at least the Class 365s have a onboard toilet for the Coastway services they are not like the 313s which don't have a onboard toilet. The Class 365 Networkers would be ideal for East Coastway services to Lewes, Seaford, Eastbourne, Bexhill, Hastings & Ore West Coastway services to Hove, Worthing West Worthing, Littlehampton, Barnham, Bognor Regis, Chichester. Havant, Portsmouth, Fareham & Southampton

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  • William Webb - 22/10/2017 15:28

    When Merseyrail replace is its Class 507 & Class 508 fleet with the new Stadler Metro units both the Class 507 & Class 508 will probably just be scrapped

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  • AndrewJGwilt1989 - 23/10/2017 12:16

    I think William Webb is spot on. And I have to agree on what he said.

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  • William Webb - 26/10/2017 15:04

    Maybe Southern could get the Class 365s from Great Northern to operate on Coastway services in & out of Brighton & also replace the Class 313s at least the Class 365s have a onboard toilet for the Coastway services they are not like the 313s which don't have a onboard toilet. The Class 365 Networkers would be ideal for East Coastway services to Lewes, Seaford, Eastbourne, Bexhill, Hastings & Ore West Coastway services to Hove, Worthing West Worthing, Littlehampton, Barnham, Bognor Regis, Chichester. Havant, Portsmouth, Fareham & Southampton

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  • Charlie - 20/11/2017 07:04

    Use the 707’s to replace the 313’s and if the train is too long, then take the cars out and add them to the Thameslink 700’s

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